Carlau
06-19 09:20 PM
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May be you are able to find here your job description http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CasePerm.aspx - select the year in which your labor was filed and download the database, please let me know.
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mahujam
12-17 05:59 PM
In case anybody noticed, the GREATEST friend of EB community, Senator Durbin is now the acting Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee. In the absense of Sen. Kennedy, our GREATEST FRIEND is going to bat for us. Its going to be Great and we will see Recapture be the first bill pass in 111th congress. Congrats everyone, the GREAT participation of over a million "highly educated" "highly informed" immigrants will now be rewarded.
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Sarcasm ? Or is he really our friend ? Bad at remembering names.
-M
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Sarcasm ? Or is he really our friend ? Bad at remembering names.
-M
FinalGC
03-26 11:50 AM
I sent an email about 2 weeks back to sanjay and I still have not recd any documents that I need to schedule my appointments and what I need to talk about. Please send me an email or PM to give me the guidance.
Thanks from Michigan
Thanks from Michigan
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nfinity
09-21 07:00 PM
Ok, I've seen a lot of threads about go to the rally, actions items, I've reading a lot of guys saying dont ask for your receipt status, dont waste your time etc, etc.
Yes we did the rally we were great with all those signs, and appearing in the Indy TV but...
Question remains open:
1. When are they going to increase the GC quota?
2. When congress id going to do something?
I've the feeling that that's it we made our point but we are still with no GC, waiting receipts..............
Exactly who are you referring to when you say "WE"? You werent there my friend...
I think you should rephrase the sentence as
Yes YOU did the rally YOU were great with all those signs, and appearing in the Indy TV
.. and had a ton of fun meeting people
.. experiencing the true power of democracy
.. walked the walk..
.. handed people flowers and enjoyed their smiles
.. were honked for cause people supported
.. heard mark explaining the "disease" while ROFL our ass off.
.. STOOD UP IN THE FRONT OF THE CAPITOL HILL AND YELLED "HOW LONG DO YOU WANT US TO WAIT?"
Yes we did the rally we were great with all those signs, and appearing in the Indy TV but...
Question remains open:
1. When are they going to increase the GC quota?
2. When congress id going to do something?
I've the feeling that that's it we made our point but we are still with no GC, waiting receipts..............
Exactly who are you referring to when you say "WE"? You werent there my friend...
I think you should rephrase the sentence as
Yes YOU did the rally YOU were great with all those signs, and appearing in the Indy TV
.. and had a ton of fun meeting people
.. experiencing the true power of democracy
.. walked the walk..
.. handed people flowers and enjoyed their smiles
.. were honked for cause people supported
.. heard mark explaining the "disease" while ROFL our ass off.
.. STOOD UP IN THE FRONT OF THE CAPITOL HILL AND YELLED "HOW LONG DO YOU WANT US TO WAIT?"
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diptam
06-07 12:12 PM
Hi ,
I sent i140 papers and money in feb 2007 to my company. in april i went to india and came back in May. in May when i asked the recieved number of i 140 filing to my company then they told me to wait for 2 week and after 2 week when they gave me recpt number, i checked online i saw following message.
"
Current Status: Case received and pending.
On May 16, 2007, we received this I140 IMMIGRANT PETITION FOR ALIEN WORKER, and mailed you a notice describing how we will process your case. ..................
"
looks like my company sent paper to USCIS in may not in march or april. is that currect? is the USCIS receipt date is the i140 filing date and gc cut off date if CIR bill passes? please throw some light on this.
Thanks.
I sent all papers in APRIL but the company lawyers filed LATE and USCIS gave the receive date as MAY 16th.... (They might have mailed May 13th or 14th and kept on bluffing ... )
If May 15th is the cut off date - guys like you and me are the worst sufferers... But who knows if the MBS will turnout to be better than the Old system ??
If this BILL becomes LAW we have to apply in MBS immediatly so that we do not get BACKLOGGED there too ....
I sent i140 papers and money in feb 2007 to my company. in april i went to india and came back in May. in May when i asked the recieved number of i 140 filing to my company then they told me to wait for 2 week and after 2 week when they gave me recpt number, i checked online i saw following message.
"
Current Status: Case received and pending.
On May 16, 2007, we received this I140 IMMIGRANT PETITION FOR ALIEN WORKER, and mailed you a notice describing how we will process your case. ..................
"
looks like my company sent paper to USCIS in may not in march or april. is that currect? is the USCIS receipt date is the i140 filing date and gc cut off date if CIR bill passes? please throw some light on this.
Thanks.
I sent all papers in APRIL but the company lawyers filed LATE and USCIS gave the receive date as MAY 16th.... (They might have mailed May 13th or 14th and kept on bluffing ... )
If May 15th is the cut off date - guys like you and me are the worst sufferers... But who knows if the MBS will turnout to be better than the Old system ??
If this BILL becomes LAW we have to apply in MBS immediatly so that we do not get BACKLOGGED there too ....
kaisersose
06-05 02:44 PM
Keep in mind that it is higly likely that DOS has changed its strategy of releasing visa numbers starting this year. Previously, they would release numbers per quarter. But this time, from all accounts it appears they have moved away from that model to improve USCIS efficiency. They may have released almost all of the annual quota by now.
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3925.html
Check the Feb 2007 visa bulletin where they made EB2 India Unavailable as the annual quota was over. It came back again only because there was spillover from ROW.
Based on this, it is very unlikely that there will be much forward movement in July.
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3925.html
Check the Feb 2007 visa bulletin where they made EB2 India Unavailable as the annual quota was over. It came back again only because there was spillover from ROW.
Based on this, it is very unlikely that there will be much forward movement in July.
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chanduv23
10-10 11:05 AM
After folks start getting their EAD, God alone knows how many "New" desi bodyshopper's like this will spring up.
All those so called "Enterpreneurs" a.k.a desi bodyshoppers...Perhaps if someone started a company that actually makes something rather than just contracting....more jobs, more value...
I feel everyone of us has the potential to have such a vision...after all isn't this the land of opportunities
Perhaps it is wise only to dream....
H1b body shopping is not a proper business model, these people are utilizing the loophole in the skilled immigration system and making money and become rich overnight. Once the loophole is closed, they cannot survive. They do not have a business model or skill. Same goes with the Attorneys who associate with them. In fact it will get worse for those Attorneys as big companies only go to big law firms.
Those who worked hard in their career path will never resort to such business model.
What comes easily and fast also goes away easily and fast. Lets not worry much about them.
A lot of hard working skilled workers do work with consulting companies. These people must know how to deal with these companies.
I am contracting at a Startup - since its inception, I report directly to the company's boss. I see him go through so many things trying hard to beat competition, funding, road blocks, beurocracy, lobbying for clearances, marketing, it is extremely tough to come up with innovative business modal and then survive, but the best of the best survive and make it big. People learn quickly from mistakes and work their way up the ladder.
The bodyshoppers do not go through this, they have just sprung up in thousands, figured out it is easy money. They never realised that things change and they must know how to survive these changes - and most of them wont.
It would be interesting to see how Infy, Wipro etc... will do business when $ == 32 Rs, they will start looking for offshoring to African countries where $ is cheaper.
All those so called "Enterpreneurs" a.k.a desi bodyshoppers...Perhaps if someone started a company that actually makes something rather than just contracting....more jobs, more value...
I feel everyone of us has the potential to have such a vision...after all isn't this the land of opportunities
Perhaps it is wise only to dream....
H1b body shopping is not a proper business model, these people are utilizing the loophole in the skilled immigration system and making money and become rich overnight. Once the loophole is closed, they cannot survive. They do not have a business model or skill. Same goes with the Attorneys who associate with them. In fact it will get worse for those Attorneys as big companies only go to big law firms.
Those who worked hard in their career path will never resort to such business model.
What comes easily and fast also goes away easily and fast. Lets not worry much about them.
A lot of hard working skilled workers do work with consulting companies. These people must know how to deal with these companies.
I am contracting at a Startup - since its inception, I report directly to the company's boss. I see him go through so many things trying hard to beat competition, funding, road blocks, beurocracy, lobbying for clearances, marketing, it is extremely tough to come up with innovative business modal and then survive, but the best of the best survive and make it big. People learn quickly from mistakes and work their way up the ladder.
The bodyshoppers do not go through this, they have just sprung up in thousands, figured out it is easy money. They never realised that things change and they must know how to survive these changes - and most of them wont.
It would be interesting to see how Infy, Wipro etc... will do business when $ == 32 Rs, they will start looking for offshoring to African countries where $ is cheaper.
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El_Guapo
04-13 11:16 AM
I am new to this community and have been watching some other forums online, but I am glad we have one dedicated for EB immigration. Way to go Immigration Voice!!!
Now, before anyone jumps at me, I promise to contribute for IV's efforts and donate for the various projects in a couple days.
The reason I am posting this is because I saw various threads with various ideas to gain visibility and make out cause known to all. I saw thready ranging from writing to senators to sending a 1 cent check everyday to sending a voided check for a big amount. Other notable ideas include sending flowers, calling senators, FOIA campaign, writing to the Obama administration, etc. While I agree that each of these actions contribute small drops to the ocean, I honestly think we should think BIG!!
I have analyzed EB Immigration considerably and here are my thoughts -
Anti-Immigrants, especially the ones against EB Immigration feel that we take away their jobs. However our defense against that is there's aren't that many skilled immigrants for certain skill set and hence we fill that void and keep corporate America competitive. However a lot of us argue that we who are waiting in line for our potential Green Cards pay our taxes and aide by the law, etc. All valid arguments. However, that doesn't make us any different than the majority of the 90% workforce that is employed. They all pay taxes too.
I have seen other ideas being floated around where they said "Buy a house, get a green card." Now, two issues with this - How many of us potential immigrants have 250 grand to invest in a house? I don't and can perhaps pay 5-10% down payment on a house. But if I lose my job, then I will be forced to default too and that doesn't help the economy. Also, there are more than 10 million homes in foreclosure and even hypothetically, let's say we will buy a house on a mortgage at 10% down. There are, say 1 million immigrants in waiting including dependents. And we buy 500,000 homes. That is a small dent in the entire real estate economy. Won't make a significant difference. Secondly, the current mess we are in was caused by the "sub prime" mortgage loans. If you know what "sub prime" means, then you probably know the areas where these houses were purchased. Have you seen the neighborhoods or the areas where these houses are foreclosed? A majority of us won't even drive through there, leave alone buying houses there. So obviously, us buying homes is not going to solve this economic mess. If you still insist, then you perhaps need to take a class on economics 101.
OK, say why am I saying all this? Well, for one, while its great that we put our brains to work to help solve the economic crisis, since a good economy has a knock on effect on immigration, but we can't come up with ordinary ideas. These are extraordinary times and we need extraordinary ideas. We need to think out of the box. I appreciate the efforts of IV with the FOIA drive, but here's my question with that - Besides knowing how long the wait is going to be to get our GC based on the information from USCIS, what other purpose is the FOIA going to solve? Probably not much. But I do agree that having those numbers helps us in identifying where we need to focus our lobbying efforts. If we know the bottleneck is EB2-EB3 spillover, we can work on that with USCIS.
Someone mentioned in another thread where we all need to concentrate on one effort rather than be divided in multiple efforts. And I think it was suggested that we focus on visa numbers recapturing. I think its a great idea. However, please be aware that in the context of CIR, EB immigration is a small drop. And hence any lobbying to increase/recapture visa numbers need to be done with the FB immigration. EB and FB together can lobby for the recapture visa numbers project and might achieve considerable success.
If we as EB immigrants need to make our voice known, we need to take a leaf out of the President's book, from his campaign. He started a grass roots level campaign and look at where that has led him to!! So here is my suggestion for a project that will highlight our cause and lead some of the anti- EB Immigration Aholes to shut up their various holes.
I am assuming we have around 500K immigrants in waiting. Let's say there are 250K primary applicants. The goal is we try to get an email database of as many potential immigrants we can. Next we start an email campaign highlighting a story of an immigrant family or a news article against immigration or lobbying by anti immigrant groups or lack of visibility in ongoing discussions on CIR. At the bottom of each email, we have a donate button that takes the person to IV's donation page/paypal, whatever it might be. We start with a minimum of $50 and go upwards to $500. The goal is if we have atleast, say 100,000 potential immigrants to contribute a min of $50, then if my calculations are in order, that is about $5 Millions. We might have more depending on how many more people contribute and how much more than the min $50 that people contribute. But the baseline collection would be about $5 Million. OK, so what do we with that money? Well, the biggest skill set for us EB immigrants are our education. We have a minimum of a bachelors degree and have a penchant for being well educated. That is the weakness in the American education system - Education. We say thousands of high school dropouts. Thousands of college drop outs. The Obama administration has clearly said they need to invest in America's future. And hence they have a big ambitious spending on fixing the educational system. I know that as non permanent residents or citizens, we are not allowed to contribute to any politicians. However, we can donate money to the state or to a charity organization. What I suggest is we collect this money and send it to the first lady, Michelle Obama and have her send this to a non profit community project for education on our behalf. This will bring a lot of attention because we as EB immigrants are saying, we want to contribute to better the educational system if given a chance so that the future American generations don't become prey to the 21st century American competitiveness like outsourcing and H Visas and stuff.
This might seem like a small drop in the ocean, but it is definitely a bright one!! And don't tell me it can't be done. It sure can be done. There was someone who already did this at the grassroots level, and his name is Barack Obama!!!
I am willing to talk to the IV Core team to discuss if needed.
Now, before anyone jumps at me, I promise to contribute for IV's efforts and donate for the various projects in a couple days.
The reason I am posting this is because I saw various threads with various ideas to gain visibility and make out cause known to all. I saw thready ranging from writing to senators to sending a 1 cent check everyday to sending a voided check for a big amount. Other notable ideas include sending flowers, calling senators, FOIA campaign, writing to the Obama administration, etc. While I agree that each of these actions contribute small drops to the ocean, I honestly think we should think BIG!!
I have analyzed EB Immigration considerably and here are my thoughts -
Anti-Immigrants, especially the ones against EB Immigration feel that we take away their jobs. However our defense against that is there's aren't that many skilled immigrants for certain skill set and hence we fill that void and keep corporate America competitive. However a lot of us argue that we who are waiting in line for our potential Green Cards pay our taxes and aide by the law, etc. All valid arguments. However, that doesn't make us any different than the majority of the 90% workforce that is employed. They all pay taxes too.
I have seen other ideas being floated around where they said "Buy a house, get a green card." Now, two issues with this - How many of us potential immigrants have 250 grand to invest in a house? I don't and can perhaps pay 5-10% down payment on a house. But if I lose my job, then I will be forced to default too and that doesn't help the economy. Also, there are more than 10 million homes in foreclosure and even hypothetically, let's say we will buy a house on a mortgage at 10% down. There are, say 1 million immigrants in waiting including dependents. And we buy 500,000 homes. That is a small dent in the entire real estate economy. Won't make a significant difference. Secondly, the current mess we are in was caused by the "sub prime" mortgage loans. If you know what "sub prime" means, then you probably know the areas where these houses were purchased. Have you seen the neighborhoods or the areas where these houses are foreclosed? A majority of us won't even drive through there, leave alone buying houses there. So obviously, us buying homes is not going to solve this economic mess. If you still insist, then you perhaps need to take a class on economics 101.
OK, say why am I saying all this? Well, for one, while its great that we put our brains to work to help solve the economic crisis, since a good economy has a knock on effect on immigration, but we can't come up with ordinary ideas. These are extraordinary times and we need extraordinary ideas. We need to think out of the box. I appreciate the efforts of IV with the FOIA drive, but here's my question with that - Besides knowing how long the wait is going to be to get our GC based on the information from USCIS, what other purpose is the FOIA going to solve? Probably not much. But I do agree that having those numbers helps us in identifying where we need to focus our lobbying efforts. If we know the bottleneck is EB2-EB3 spillover, we can work on that with USCIS.
Someone mentioned in another thread where we all need to concentrate on one effort rather than be divided in multiple efforts. And I think it was suggested that we focus on visa numbers recapturing. I think its a great idea. However, please be aware that in the context of CIR, EB immigration is a small drop. And hence any lobbying to increase/recapture visa numbers need to be done with the FB immigration. EB and FB together can lobby for the recapture visa numbers project and might achieve considerable success.
If we as EB immigrants need to make our voice known, we need to take a leaf out of the President's book, from his campaign. He started a grass roots level campaign and look at where that has led him to!! So here is my suggestion for a project that will highlight our cause and lead some of the anti- EB Immigration Aholes to shut up their various holes.
I am assuming we have around 500K immigrants in waiting. Let's say there are 250K primary applicants. The goal is we try to get an email database of as many potential immigrants we can. Next we start an email campaign highlighting a story of an immigrant family or a news article against immigration or lobbying by anti immigrant groups or lack of visibility in ongoing discussions on CIR. At the bottom of each email, we have a donate button that takes the person to IV's donation page/paypal, whatever it might be. We start with a minimum of $50 and go upwards to $500. The goal is if we have atleast, say 100,000 potential immigrants to contribute a min of $50, then if my calculations are in order, that is about $5 Millions. We might have more depending on how many more people contribute and how much more than the min $50 that people contribute. But the baseline collection would be about $5 Million. OK, so what do we with that money? Well, the biggest skill set for us EB immigrants are our education. We have a minimum of a bachelors degree and have a penchant for being well educated. That is the weakness in the American education system - Education. We say thousands of high school dropouts. Thousands of college drop outs. The Obama administration has clearly said they need to invest in America's future. And hence they have a big ambitious spending on fixing the educational system. I know that as non permanent residents or citizens, we are not allowed to contribute to any politicians. However, we can donate money to the state or to a charity organization. What I suggest is we collect this money and send it to the first lady, Michelle Obama and have her send this to a non profit community project for education on our behalf. This will bring a lot of attention because we as EB immigrants are saying, we want to contribute to better the educational system if given a chance so that the future American generations don't become prey to the 21st century American competitiveness like outsourcing and H Visas and stuff.
This might seem like a small drop in the ocean, but it is definitely a bright one!! And don't tell me it can't be done. It sure can be done. There was someone who already did this at the grassroots level, and his name is Barack Obama!!!
I am willing to talk to the IV Core team to discuss if needed.
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pmat
07-02 04:18 PM
Medical - $450 (self + spouse)
Fedex - $75
Photos - $65
Other (Gas, photocopy, etc) - $50
Total - $640
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Fedex - $75
Photos - $65
Other (Gas, photocopy, etc) - $50
Total - $640
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gc_chahiye
01-03 09:21 PM
A freind of mine came across a gentleman, who is here on work visa and he is facing a unique problem. He is married to two persons and wants to bring his whole family here in the USA. He was looking for answer if he can get both his spouses and kids here on H4 visas. Currently both of them and his kids are in India. Interesting hmmm :D
Maybe he can come under asylum or refugee status; after all he also probably has two mother-in-laws there and that should qualify. One is bad enough, but TWO?
Its hard to maintain such a situation (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0205968/), he will have to make a call and decide on a winner (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0207341/).
Maybe he can come under asylum or refugee status; after all he also probably has two mother-in-laws there and that should qualify. One is bad enough, but TWO?
Its hard to maintain such a situation (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0205968/), he will have to make a call and decide on a winner (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0207341/).
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wellwishergc
04-12 07:57 AM
Thanks werc, for this posting.. It makes things very clear!!!
The only leeway USCIS has w.r.t EADs are the duration of the EADs and not the timing of the issue of the EAD. The fact that the EAD can be given only after the I485 is filed is governed by the INA.
Further the grant of EADs in all the eligible categories is more or less the same. Even if the timing of the grant of the EAD were in USCIS hands ,it is hard to request an alternative interpretation of the regulation in some cases (eg after I-140) while retaining the same interpretation for other categories (eg EAD after completion of Education). This just opens up a lot of loopholes.
ON top of all this we have to take into consideration the huge inherent inertia of the USCIS to change. As already pointed out the only recourse available would be to change the law of the land, on which path we are already traversing.
The only leeway USCIS has w.r.t EADs are the duration of the EADs and not the timing of the issue of the EAD. The fact that the EAD can be given only after the I485 is filed is governed by the INA.
Further the grant of EADs in all the eligible categories is more or less the same. Even if the timing of the grant of the EAD were in USCIS hands ,it is hard to request an alternative interpretation of the regulation in some cases (eg after I-140) while retaining the same interpretation for other categories (eg EAD after completion of Education). This just opens up a lot of loopholes.
ON top of all this we have to take into consideration the huge inherent inertia of the USCIS to change. As already pointed out the only recourse available would be to change the law of the land, on which path we are already traversing.
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alisa
03-24 03:51 PM
Anyone from Minnesota? I have also asked this question on the state chapter thread. Who can give me the information as to who should I go and meet and where in minnesota? where to call and take the appointment? Local congressman means in minneapolis or He could be anywhere in minnesota.
Please PM paskal. He has a group on google groups too.
Now, anyone from Wisconsin? We need members from different congressional districts.
Please PM paskal. He has a group on google groups too.
Now, anyone from Wisconsin? We need members from different congressional districts.
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psaxena
06-01 12:39 PM
I just mailed the opencongress.org on what do they do with the polling data. Is this is sent off to the lawmakers, or not.. Is there anyways that this polling data can be used to make our voices heard..
Guys feel free to send an email to open congress asking this or any questions you have. The foundation group which backs this website, I see , do have some political background.
Guys feel free to send an email to open congress asking this or any questions you have. The foundation group which backs this website, I see , do have some political background.
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sbdol
03-10 06:47 AM
Report back
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On speeding up Labor certification
When one of us said congress's intention for LC is 21-60 days, the staffer replied that was before 911. How can we make this happen and speeded up the work in PBEC/DBEC?
....
Bluekayal
I would not be too thrilled by this meeting. Looks like the official just politely leads the conversation but really did not look deep into the problem.
...
On speeding up Labor certification
When one of us said congress's intention for LC is 21-60 days, the staffer replied that was before 911. How can we make this happen and speeded up the work in PBEC/DBEC?
....
Bluekayal
I would not be too thrilled by this meeting. Looks like the official just politely leads the conversation but really did not look deep into the problem.
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GC08
07-07 08:39 PM
Glad that it caught some attention. However, from what I heard, it was not deep enough. Only a detailed replay of the event and other related issues can give people a real understanding how serious the problem is.
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Ram_C
11-19 01:56 PM
Sorry for asking you so many questions. I am just trying to figure out if there is any pattern on NSC-CSC-NSC FP appointments.
Did you get a notice from CSC saying they are transferring your I-485 to NSC? If so, when was it?
NO, I haven't received transfer notice from CSC either.
Did you get a notice from CSC saying they are transferring your I-485 to NSC? If so, when was it?
NO, I haven't received transfer notice from CSC either.
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desidude
06-19 10:49 AM
Even I e-filed my AP 2 days ago (this is my first time not renewal thou). I wanted to know if I need to send 2 photographs and explanation on separate piece of paper.
Well, I also did a small mistake on the appl. I misplaced my first name and last name, I don't think this would be a problem thou...
Can somebody help me with this?
There is a question on part 7 of AP efiling. I guess, same question is also there in paper form as well. Could somebody please explain as to what to do about this. Here is the question:-
On a separate piece of paper, please explain how you would qualify for an Advance Parole and what circumstances warrant issuance of Advance Parole. Include copies of any documents you wish considered. (See instructions.)
Do we really need to send this ? I do not remember that I did send it last time. Thanks
Well, I also did a small mistake on the appl. I misplaced my first name and last name, I don't think this would be a problem thou...
Can somebody help me with this?
There is a question on part 7 of AP efiling. I guess, same question is also there in paper form as well. Could somebody please explain as to what to do about this. Here is the question:-
On a separate piece of paper, please explain how you would qualify for an Advance Parole and what circumstances warrant issuance of Advance Parole. Include copies of any documents you wish considered. (See instructions.)
Do we really need to send this ? I do not remember that I did send it last time. Thanks
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coopheal
04-18 02:43 PM
'cause almost all India EB3 visa numbers for this year are gone.
Where did you get information about almost all EB3 GCs for India are gone for the year.
Where did you get information about almost all EB3 GCs for India are gone for the year.
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rvurady14
06-01 11:31 AM
Done.
mnq1979
08-22 10:18 AM
I wonder what is this article all about !!! pls. post the text here so that we can read it !!!!!:)
Berkeleybee
04-10 09:12 PM
Should I narrate the story of the 'success of microsoft' and its history?:)
Ah, but that was the private sector -- not head bashing against slow governmental bureaucracy. You'd be surprised to know what is going on with MS's current efforts on these matters.
Ah, but that was the private sector -- not head bashing against slow governmental bureaucracy. You'd be surprised to know what is going on with MS's current efforts on these matters.
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